Tribe.net. Local Connections DJ verablue http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#ad96c066-f22f-4530-a7bd-8eefe25b731d 2005-09-04T16:57:29Z 2005-09-04T16:57:29Z

that completly went in the wrong place......so for the record i was talking about nihil. as for favorite raymond related album.....i think i'd have to also go with wrecked. though i love what i've heard of schwein.

DJ verablue 2005-09-04T16:57:29Z DJ verablue http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#4ef351a5-a8b3-4c50-aa81-80387dab62b2 2005-09-04T16:55:20Z 2005-09-04T16:55:20Z

i have both.....but the CD is really scratched. oh well, vinyl is better anyways

DJ verablue 2005-09-04T16:55:20Z Eldritch http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#04dcaded-75e9-4ea8-a94c-fe999dd072c2 2005-07-06T20:20:58Z 2005-07-06T20:20:58Z

Watts was good work, but it actually wasn't all Ray. Steve and some of the boys from Pig had worked on it. If I recall correctly, Arbor Vitate was supposed to be a PIG video as well. As far as I can tell, the whole WATTS things was an attempt at branding him into something new and more marketable. PIG has been around too long without gaining momentum to ever get anywhere. Really too bad. It makes me a corp whore, but I think Sinsation was my favorite. I love some of the earlier experimental stuff, (Fountain of Miracles? Industrial/Gospel Fusion? Brilliant. Symphony for the Devil? Stunning in epic proportions.) but really think that the hard edged rock driven album from Nothing takes the cake as an end to end project. I really like the studio polish Trent's boys put on it.

Eldritch 2005-07-06T20:20:58Z Jonathan http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#891cfa8b-f085-4d18-8225-f17d98cd6109 2004-07-24T02:49:04Z 2004-07-24T02:49:04Z

Wow...first person I've met that likes Watts over Pig. Cool.

Jonathan 2004-07-24T02:49:04Z quellish http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#eb055e64-bbe7-48ae-8417-d7a86a8e12a8 2004-07-24T02:09:28Z 2004-07-24T02:09:28Z

I'd have to say the new "Watts", Pigmartyr. If you don't have it, get it. It's worth getting from the UK via mailorder. "Situation" and "Stage Slut" are two of my favorites from it, but it's hard to pick with an album full of great stuff.

quellish 2004-07-24T02:09:28Z davey http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#40ee0982-ab43-4795-b0c4-0a9353c10977 2004-07-15T21:41:56Z 2004-07-15T21:41:56Z

My first kmfdm or pig was kmfdm v.pig. My fav pig is sinsation, I believe. And yea, I remember seeing "drug against war" on MTV.

davey 2004-07-15T21:41:56Z Kurt http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#853a4262-3fad-418a-977c-d10fc9804698 2004-07-12T13:44:31Z 2004-07-12T13:44:31Z

Yeah. I have orange Naive. Can't believe the price it fetches on eBay. Favorite track is (are) Virus and Liebeslied. How many times O Fortuna has been sampled in the "industrial" world? KMFDM just "forgot" to ask permission to use it and got burned :) Since we are way off topic, can we venture even further off? Can anybody add to my short list of songs that use O Fortuna as a sample? Liebeslied (original orange naive version) - KMFDM Love Never Dies (part 1) - Apoptygma Berzerk No W - Ministry

Kurt 2004-07-12T13:44:31Z Jonathan http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#52ac6b38-680b-4068-b135-bf9e4ad29c16 2004-07-11T20:37:54Z 2004-07-11T20:37:54Z

I love Salambo. But Salambo is really for those who like his older more experimental stuff. One Meatball comes to mind. Kurt - I assume you have the out of print orange Naive? That really is an incredible album...fav track?

Jonathan 2004-07-11T20:37:54Z Kurt http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#0835e5c4-4f45-46fb-b6c7-865b25b196bc 2004-07-11T16:40:19Z 2004-07-11T16:40:19Z

on the KMFDM sidetrack. Whew, boy, I am old! My first KMFDM was Naive. I saw them then (1991) and later on the Money tour in 1992. My favorite PIG is Genuine American Monster. But that's because some tracks are incredible, "Prayer, Praise, & Profit" Which make up for "Salambo" which I appreciate Ray's willingness to experiment, but it just doesn't work for me.

Kurt 2004-07-11T16:40:19Z Katelyn http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#69a7e9e6-c32b-4422-a5f6-9e9312447dcb 2004-07-11T14:27:54Z 2004-07-11T14:27:54Z

My introduction to KMFDM was my older sister. When I was 8 or so one of her friends lent her their copy of Angst and she played it so much that I finally started liking them. She never gave that CD back either. Then a couple years later, I borrowed it from her and never gave it back. Bad karma on her part? Oh, and in reply to the initial post, my favorite Pig album is A Poke in the Eye, hands down.

Katelyn 2004-07-11T14:27:54Z Jonathan http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#31e66dc7-9eeb-46e5-9207-bddb92edd151 2004-07-11T08:32:06Z 2004-07-11T08:32:06Z

Thats so cool that Mtv actually once played KMFDM. Especially considering how Sascha has been anti-MTV for a long time now. My first introduction to KMFDM was just because I was lookin' to get into Industrial music and everyone said they were the best place to start. So I went to the cd store and looked for a cd by them. I bought Symbols because it was mismarked and about 12 dolalrs cheaper than the rest of their albums. lol. Yep, that was my first introduction to 'em. Prob. one of (if not the worst) disc to use to introduce someone to KMFDM.

Jonathan 2004-07-11T08:32:06Z Mr Gumby http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#3d70a3de-76a5-4e4b-8758-7a2c20d2335a 2004-07-11T08:12:21Z 2004-07-11T08:12:21Z

Off topic, but my first introduction was KMFDM vs. PIG. I was looking in the idustrial section and found the cd. I bought it because I liked the pretty colors...and the art.

Mr Gumby 2004-07-11T08:12:21Z Mike http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#fd5e8147-c282-4bb7-90ce-3444d1589602 2004-07-11T08:08:51Z 2004-07-11T08:08:51Z

well, i'm 24 and i remember how i found out about kmfdm by seeing the video of Drug Against War on MTV... yes, that was back when they actually played music videos and more then three every half hour... not 23 hours of crap shows and 20 minutes of crap music... back then, you could see other cool bands back them like ministry, nin, manson... anyway... that was how i found out about them...

Mike 2004-07-11T08:08:51Z Mr Gumby http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#32ee0141-efcb-434b-b40e-f5ba3a3d18e5 2004-07-11T07:41:27Z 2004-07-11T07:41:27Z

Jees, you guys are making me feel old here.

Mr Gumby 2004-07-11T07:41:27Z Jonathan http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#25f5905e-f422-427d-a922-bacb60f8f0db 2004-07-11T07:35:14Z 2004-07-11T07:35:14Z

lol. Gotta remember I'm only 19. Symbols was my first and I didn't even get it unti la few years after it was released. I think it was in...99 I got it? Somewhere in there.

Jonathan 2004-07-11T07:35:14Z Mike http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#1ab08713-048c-4fbe-94da-d5aa36de0581 2004-07-11T06:15:16Z 2004-07-11T06:15:16Z

damn... you got into em late jonny... Angst was my first KMFDM disc...

Mike 2004-07-11T06:15:16Z Alisha http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#53c0e1eb-4c26-4717-9401-8489a509c334 2004-07-11T06:15:04Z 2004-07-11T06:15:04Z

Nihil was my first, which has some great stuff by Ray.

Alisha 2004-07-11T06:15:04Z Jonathan http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#2448bc8c-b9d6-4fb4-bcd5-0e97c91f381f 2004-07-11T05:56:57Z 2004-07-11T05:56:57Z

Unfit is on...Symbols? I believe... Symbols was my first KMFDM cd :-)

Jonathan 2004-07-11T05:56:57Z Mike http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#d49837f2-fea9-4a8b-838e-e283c7900837 2004-07-11T05:52:47Z 2004-07-11T05:52:47Z

i only have Wrecked and Sinsation... plus all his work with KMFDM ofcourse... hard to pick a favorite... but i can say that "Unfit" is one of THE most f'ed up songs i have ever heard... love it... ;)

Mike 2004-07-11T05:52:47Z Jonathan http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#ba17f554-5595-4c50-b963-5eb09bbefbb8 2004-07-11T05:04:45Z 2004-07-11T05:04:45Z

I only have the vinyl of that album. I want the cd.

Jonathan 2004-07-11T05:04:45Z Mr Gumby http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#bc1dd215-1160-4aa3-b927-90dd0c62f38a 2004-07-10T22:47:01Z 2004-07-10T22:47:01Z

I loved him ever since I first heard him on "Nihil", but my all time favorite would be an album of his own creastion; a little album I found one day in the used section of a local CD store known as "A Poke in the Eye..."

Mr Gumby 2004-07-10T22:47:01Z Jonathan http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#b6279926-ef39-4135-bf60-6b8f4760eec2 2004-07-10T18:40:13Z 2004-07-10T18:40:13Z

You HAVE to pick just one. I know it's hard as hell to narrow it down to one (esp. when his stuff is so diverse), but let's just see which one the most people vote for. This can be anything Ray worked on, not just Pig releases. But I'm still voting for Pig. Wrecked.

Jonathan 2004-07-10T18:40:13Z