http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#ad96c066-f22f-4530-a7bd-8eefe25b731d that completly went in the wrong place......so for the record i was talking about nihil. as for favorite raymond related album.....i think i'd have to also go with wrecked. though i love what i've heard of schwein. Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:57:29 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#ad96c066-f22f-4530-a7bd-8eefe25b731d DJ verablue 2005-09-04T16:57:29Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#4ef351a5-a8b3-4c50-aa81-80387dab62b2 i have both.....but the CD is really scratched. oh well, vinyl is better anyways Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:55:20 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#4ef351a5-a8b3-4c50-aa81-80387dab62b2 DJ verablue 2005-09-04T16:55:20Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#04dcaded-75e9-4ea8-a94c-fe999dd072c2 Watts was good work, but it actually wasn't all Ray. Steve and some of the boys from Pig had worked on it. If I recall correctly, Arbor Vitate was supposed to be a PIG video as well. As far as I can tell, the whole WATTS things was an attempt at branding him into something new and more marketable. PIG has been around too long without gaining momentum to ever get anywhere. Really too bad. It makes me a corp whore, but I think Sinsation was my favorite. I love some of the earlier experimental stuff, (Fountain of Miracles? Industrial/Gospel Fusion? Brilliant. Symphony for the Devil? Stunning in epic proportions.) but really think that the hard edged rock driven album from Nothing takes the cake as an end to end project. I really like the studio polish Trent's boys put on it. Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:20:58 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#04dcaded-75e9-4ea8-a94c-fe999dd072c2 Eldritch 2005-07-06T20:20:58Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#891cfa8b-f085-4d18-8225-f17d98cd6109 Wow...first person I've met that likes Watts over Pig. Cool. Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:49:04 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#891cfa8b-f085-4d18-8225-f17d98cd6109 Jonathan 2004-07-24T02:49:04Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#eb055e64-bbe7-48ae-8417-d7a86a8e12a8 I'd have to say the new "Watts", Pigmartyr. If you don't have it, get it. It's worth getting from the UK via mailorder. "Situation" and "Stage Slut" are two of my favorites from it, but it's hard to pick with an album full of great stuff. Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:09:28 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#eb055e64-bbe7-48ae-8417-d7a86a8e12a8 quellish 2004-07-24T02:09:28Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#40ee0982-ab43-4795-b0c4-0a9353c10977 My first kmfdm or pig was kmfdm v.pig. My fav pig is sinsation, I believe. And yea, I remember seeing "drug against war" on MTV. Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:41:56 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#40ee0982-ab43-4795-b0c4-0a9353c10977 davey 2004-07-15T21:41:56Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#853a4262-3fad-418a-977c-d10fc9804698 Yeah. I have orange Naive. Can't believe the price it fetches on eBay. Favorite track is (are) Virus and Liebeslied. How many times O Fortuna has been sampled in the "industrial" world? KMFDM just "forgot" to ask permission to use it and got burned :) Since we are way off topic, can we venture even further off? Can anybody add to my short list of songs that use O Fortuna as a sample? Liebeslied (original orange naive version) - KMFDM Love Never Dies (part 1) - Apoptygma Berzerk No W - Ministry Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:44:31 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#853a4262-3fad-418a-977c-d10fc9804698 Kurt 2004-07-12T13:44:31Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#52ac6b38-680b-4068-b135-bf9e4ad29c16 I love Salambo. But Salambo is really for those who like his older more experimental stuff. One Meatball comes to mind. Kurt - I assume you have the out of print orange Naive? That really is an incredible album...fav track? Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:37:54 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#52ac6b38-680b-4068-b135-bf9e4ad29c16 Jonathan 2004-07-11T20:37:54Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#0835e5c4-4f45-46fb-b6c7-865b25b196bc on the KMFDM sidetrack. Whew, boy, I am old! My first KMFDM was Naive. I saw them then (1991) and later on the Money tour in 1992. My favorite PIG is Genuine American Monster. But that's because some tracks are incredible, "Prayer, Praise, & Profit" Which make up for "Salambo" which I appreciate Ray's willingness to experiment, but it just doesn't work for me. Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:40:19 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#0835e5c4-4f45-46fb-b6c7-865b25b196bc Kurt 2004-07-11T16:40:19Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#69a7e9e6-c32b-4422-a5f6-9e9312447dcb My introduction to KMFDM was my older sister. When I was 8 or so one of her friends lent her their copy of Angst and she played it so much that I finally started liking them. She never gave that CD back either. Then a couple years later, I borrowed it from her and never gave it back. Bad karma on her part? Oh, and in reply to the initial post, my favorite Pig album is A Poke in the Eye, hands down. Sun, 11 Jul 2004 14:27:54 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#69a7e9e6-c32b-4422-a5f6-9e9312447dcb Katelyn 2004-07-11T14:27:54Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#31e66dc7-9eeb-46e5-9207-bddb92edd151 Thats so cool that Mtv actually once played KMFDM. Especially considering how Sascha has been anti-MTV for a long time now. My first introduction to KMFDM was just because I was lookin' to get into Industrial music and everyone said they were the best place to start. So I went to the cd store and looked for a cd by them. I bought Symbols because it was mismarked and about 12 dolalrs cheaper than the rest of their albums. lol. Yep, that was my first introduction to 'em. Prob. one of (if not the worst) disc to use to introduce someone to KMFDM. Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:32:06 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#31e66dc7-9eeb-46e5-9207-bddb92edd151 Jonathan 2004-07-11T08:32:06Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#3d70a3de-76a5-4e4b-8758-7a2c20d2335a Off topic, but my first introduction was KMFDM vs. PIG. I was looking in the idustrial section and found the cd. I bought it because I liked the pretty colors...and the art. Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:12:21 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#3d70a3de-76a5-4e4b-8758-7a2c20d2335a Mr Gumby 2004-07-11T08:12:21Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#fd5e8147-c282-4bb7-90ce-3444d1589602 well, i'm 24 and i remember how i found out about kmfdm by seeing the video of Drug Against War on MTV... yes, that was back when they actually played music videos and more then three every half hour... not 23 hours of crap shows and 20 minutes of crap music... back then, you could see other cool bands back them like ministry, nin, manson... anyway... that was how i found out about them... Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:08:51 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#fd5e8147-c282-4bb7-90ce-3444d1589602 Mike 2004-07-11T08:08:51Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#32ee0141-efcb-434b-b40e-f5ba3a3d18e5 Jees, you guys are making me feel old here. Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:41:27 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#32ee0141-efcb-434b-b40e-f5ba3a3d18e5 Mr Gumby 2004-07-11T07:41:27Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#25f5905e-f422-427d-a922-bacb60f8f0db lol. Gotta remember I'm only 19. Symbols was my first and I didn't even get it unti la few years after it was released. I think it was in...99 I got it? Somewhere in there. Sun, 11 Jul 2004 07:35:14 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#25f5905e-f422-427d-a922-bacb60f8f0db Jonathan 2004-07-11T07:35:14Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#1ab08713-048c-4fbe-94da-d5aa36de0581 damn... you got into em late jonny... Angst was my first KMFDM disc... Sun, 11 Jul 2004 06:15:16 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#1ab08713-048c-4fbe-94da-d5aa36de0581 Mike 2004-07-11T06:15:16Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#53c0e1eb-4c26-4717-9401-8489a509c334 Nihil was my first, which has some great stuff by Ray. Sun, 11 Jul 2004 06:15:04 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#53c0e1eb-4c26-4717-9401-8489a509c334 Alisha 2004-07-11T06:15:04Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#2448bc8c-b9d6-4fb4-bcd5-0e97c91f381f Unfit is on...Symbols? I believe... Symbols was my first KMFDM cd :-) Sun, 11 Jul 2004 05:56:57 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#2448bc8c-b9d6-4fb4-bcd5-0e97c91f381f Jonathan 2004-07-11T05:56:57Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#d49837f2-fea9-4a8b-838e-e283c7900837 i only have Wrecked and Sinsation... plus all his work with KMFDM ofcourse... hard to pick a favorite... but i can say that "Unfit" is one of THE most f'ed up songs i have ever heard... love it... ;) Sun, 11 Jul 2004 05:52:47 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#d49837f2-fea9-4a8b-838e-e283c7900837 Mike 2004-07-11T05:52:47Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#ba17f554-5595-4c50-b963-5eb09bbefbb8 I only have the vinyl of that album. I want the cd. Sun, 11 Jul 2004 05:04:45 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#ba17f554-5595-4c50-b963-5eb09bbefbb8 Jonathan 2004-07-11T05:04:45Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#bc1dd215-1160-4aa3-b927-90dd0c62f38a I loved him ever since I first heard him on "Nihil", but my all time favorite would be an album of his own creastion; a little album I found one day in the used section of a local CD store known as "A Poke in the Eye..." Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:47:01 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#bc1dd215-1160-4aa3-b927-90dd0c62f38a Mr Gumby 2004-07-10T22:47:01Z http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#b6279926-ef39-4135-bf60-6b8f4760eec2 You HAVE to pick just one. I know it's hard as hell to narrow it down to one (esp. when his stuff is so diverse), but let's just see which one the most people vote for. This can be anything Ray worked on, not just Pig releases. But I'm still voting for Pig. Wrecked. Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:40:13 GMT http://hoglove.tribe.net/thread/8a70e3c0-4bd0-42d0-bf5e-0f26752159ab#b6279926-ef39-4135-bf60-6b8f4760eec2 Jonathan 2004-07-10T18:40:13Z